Bob McGwier22 May 2026

#398 - “There’s 10 of Them” UFO Super Users Confirmed by DARPA Scientist

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Episode overview

Danny Jones interviews scientist and former intelligence contractor Bob McGwier about his technical-collection career, naval UAP encounters, and experiences with Christopher Bledsoe. McGwier describes founding HawkEye 360, intelligence research for DARPA and IARPA, and his belief that fewer than ten highly trusted “superusers” may access unusually broad compartments of government information. The discussion also covers alleged secrecy structures, remote viewing and consciousness research, cosmology, abduction claims, psychedelics, and McGwier’s insistence that many observations remain unexplained rather than scientifically established.

Key ideas

McGwier says he performed technical intelligence collection for the NSA, CIA, and other agencies across dozens of countries.
He recounts a fast-moving submerged object near USS Hampton and a huge aerial phenomenon above USS Blue Ridge.
Experiences with Christopher Bledsoe persuaded him that unusual luminous phenomena and apparent mind-to-mind interaction deserved attention.
HawkEye 360 uses formations of small satellites and time-difference-of-arrival processing to geolocate radio-frequency emissions.
McGwier describes classified programs as heavily compartmented and says rare “superusers” can inspect information without the usual need-to-know restriction.
He argues that UAP performance, if accurately observed, exceeds publicly known terrestrial physics and engineering.
The conversation explores remote viewing, retrocausality, out-of-body experiences, and other consciousness claims while repeatedly distinguishing observation from proof.
McGwier predicts that James Webb Space Telescope observations may force major revisions to prevailing ideas about dark matter, dark energy, and cosmic history.

Transcript available · source text is retained privately and is not published

People & resources mentioned

Attributed to the moment in the episode. Timestamps are approximate.

People · 34

Danny JonesMentionswe'll do this after the podcast. All right, that's all. Goodnight folks.
“It was crazy, Danny. It was crazy.”
▶ Watch at ~6:30approx.
Richard DolanMentionsmentioned
“Richard Dolan interviewed Christopher Bledsoe in four one-hour segments.”
▶ Watch at ~8:00approx.
Jim SemivanMentionsJim Semivan was a like a big huge deal in the clandestine service at the CIA
“You're here because Jim Semivan told me to let you in that it would be interesting.”
▶ Watch at ~11:30approx.
Christopher BledsoeMentionsmentioned
“Biggest thing that drew me in was being with Chris Bledsoe”
▶ Watch at ~11:30approx.
Jim GarrisonMentionsmentioned
“I don't understand the role of Jim Garrison and all those people that are trying to get stuff going.”
▶ Watch at ~16:00approx.
Andy BustamanteMentionsmentioned
“I had that dude one of those guys, Andy Bustamante, down here and we were chatting.”
▶ Watch at ~26:00approx.
Bob McGwierMentionsI became the director of research and the chief scientist for the Hume Center for National Security and Technology and joined the faculty at Virginia Tech.
“I'm the founder of HawkEye 360, which is a satellite intelligence gathering company with small satellites.”
▶ Watch at ~27:00approx.
Carl SaganMentionsmentioned
“Walked in there and there was Carl Sagan, Arthur C. Clarke.”
▶ Watch at ~45:30approx.
Arthur C. ClarkeMentionsmentioned
“Walked in there and there was Carl Sagan, Arthur C. Clarke.”
▶ Watch at ~45:30approx.
John Archibald WheelerMentionsJohn Wheeler is the most famous gravitation physicist after Einstein in the 20th century.
“I met and befriended John Archibald Wheeler.”
▶ Watch at ~1:14:30approx.
Richard FeynmanMentionsmentioned
“Including Richard Feynman, who was his student, Kip Thorne”
▶ Watch at ~1:15:00approx.
Kip ThorneMentionsmentioned
“Kip Thorne, who got for the the LIGO Nobel Prize for the gravitational vibrations in space.”
▶ Watch at ~1:15:00approx.
Hal PuthoffMentionsmentioned
“the stuff that Russell Targ and Hal Puthoff did out of Stanford research on remote viewing.”
▶ Watch at ~1:29:00approx.
Russell TargMentionsResearcher associated with remote-viewing work discussed at a conference attended by Hennacy.
“the stuff that Russell Targ and Hal Puthoff did out of Stanford research on remote viewing.”
▶ Watch at ~1:29:00approx.
Angela FordUsesAngela Ford was in Stargate way back when and was a remote viewer for the government.
“I'm taking classes from Angela Ford with her with her friend of hers.”
▶ Watch at ~1:29:00approx.
Julia MossbridgeRecommendsmentioned
“You should interview her.”
▶ Watch at ~1:33:30approx.
Steven GreerMentionsmentioned
“So Steven Greer was right the whole time.”
▶ Watch at ~1:35:00approx.
Daniel SheehanMentionsmentioned
“with the help of Danny Sheehan, the lawyer, telling him how they can do this”
▶ Watch at ~1:35:30approx.
James FoxMentionsmentioned
“I had James Fox on here a couple months ago”
▶ Watch at ~1:45:30approx.
Bob LazarMentionsmentioned
“What is your whole take on the Bob Lazar story then?”
▶ Watch at ~1:48:00approx.
George KnappMentionsmentioned
“George Knapp didn't believe all the lies about Los Alamos.”
▶ Watch at ~1:48:30approx.
David GruschMentionsmentioned
“Then I was sitting at a table and right next to me was David Grusch.”
▶ Watch at ~1:52:00approx.
Diana PasulkaMentionsmentioned
“Diana Pasulka talks about when she cuz she spent a lot of time with that guy Tim and with Jacques Vallee”
▶ Watch at ~1:53:00approx.
Jacques ValleeMentionsmentioned
“when she went to Jacques Vallee's apartment in California in northern California”
▶ Watch at ~1:53:30approx.
Michael MastersMentionsmentioned
“Michael Masters and I we're good friends”
▶ Watch at ~2:01:30approx.
Randall NickersonMentionsmentioned
“Nickerson, Randall. Randall Nickerson.”
▶ Watch at ~2:04:30approx.
Melinda LeslieRecommendsMelinda lives in Sedona, Arizona. She takes UFO groups out with night vision goggles and shows them UFOs just about every night.
“Her name is Melinda Leslie.”
▶ Watch at ~2:06:30approx.
Ross CoulthartMentionsmentioned
“she has been out there with Ross Coulthart, me, and a bunch of others”
▶ Watch at ~2:08:00approx.
David HugginsMentionsmentioned
“Have you ever heard of David Huggins?”
▶ Watch at ~2:09:30approx.
Brad AbrahamsCoinedmentioned
“Done by a buddy of mine who's been on the show, Brad Abrahams.”
▶ Watch at ~2:10:00approx.
Jeffrey KripalMentionsHe's a religious scholar.
“Jeffrey Kripal's in there.”
▶ Watch at ~2:12:00approx.
John C. LillyMentionsmentioned
“John Lilly went crazy on ketamine and he thought he was talking to aliens.”
▶ Watch at ~2:21:00approx.
Edgar MitchellMentionsmentioned
“And Edgar Mitchell was like really into this stuff.”
▶ Watch at ~2:32:30approx.
John AlexanderMentionsmentioned
“John Alexander, yeah.”
▶ Watch at ~2:34:00approx.

Resources · 34

National Security AgencyUsescompany
“I worked for the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and a joint activity they have, which is known as SCS.”
▶ Watch at ~0:30approx.
Central Intelligence AgencyUsescompany · United States government
“I worked for the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and a joint activity they have, which is known as SCS.”
▶ Watch at ~0:30approx.
Federal Bureau of InvestigationUsescompany
“I would get detailed to help the FBI and other things.”
▶ Watch at ~0:30approx.
USS HamptonUsesother
“1997, I got on the USS Hampton, which is a Los Angeles class nuclear submarine”
▶ Watch at ~3:00approx.
USS Blue RidgeUsesother
“Then in 2008, I was on the Blue Ridge. I was doing a technical classified intelligence operation.”
▶ Watch at ~4:30approx.
Virginia TechUsescompany
“joined the faculty at Virginia Tech.”
▶ Watch at ~6:30approx.
Hume Center for National Security and TechnologyUsescompany
“I became the director of research and the chief scientist for the Hume Center for National Security and Technology”
▶ Watch at ~6:30approx.
National Reconnaissance OfficeMentionscompany
“It was a National Reconnaissance Office.”
▶ Watch at ~7:30approx.
Richard Dolan ForumUseswebsite · Richard Dolan
“I became the admin and administrator of the Richard Dolan forum, which I am until right now.”
▶ Watch at ~8:00approx.
UFO ConMentionsevent
“he gave his first public talk at UFO Con in 2020 on the evidence he's gathered.”
▶ Watch at ~13:30approx.
Beyond Skinwalker RanchMentionstv show
“his time with Beyond Skinwalker Ranch, those guys hooked him up to really fancy electroencephalographs”
▶ Watch at ~25:30approx.
HawkEye 360Coinedcompany · Bob McGwier and collaborators
“I'm the founder of HawkEye 360, which is a satellite intelligence gathering company with small satellites.”
▶ Watch at ~27:00approx.
Rocket LabUsescompany
“SpaceX and Rocket Labs have launched all my spacecraft for HawkEye spacecraft.”
▶ Watch at ~31:30approx.
SpaceXUsescompany
“SpaceX and Rocket Labs have launched all my spacecraft for HawkEye spacecraft.”
▶ Watch at ~31:30approx.
Sandia National LaboratoriesUsescompany
“when I graduated from college, I worked at Sandia National Labs”
▶ Watch at ~38:00approx.
Vega programMentionsother
“Your data was a Venus Vega balloon probe.”
▶ Watch at ~41:00approx.
SETIMentionscompany
“These people are from SETI. We believe you have technology that will help them.”
▶ Watch at ~46:00approx.
CosmosMentionstv show · Carl Sagan
“You saw that in Cosmos, you saw it in his public stuff.”
▶ Watch at ~47:00approx.
To the Stars AcademyMentionscompany
“he was the advisor to Tom DeLonge when To the Stars Academy was born.”
▶ Watch at ~1:12:00approx.
James Webb Space TelescopeMentionstool
“James Webb Space Telescope, in my opinion, is destroying those theories.”
▶ Watch at ~1:19:00approx.
Popular MechanicsRecommendswebsite
“she's written some articles recently that people should read in Popular Mechanics and elsewhere”
▶ Watch at ~1:32:30approx.
American ElectrodynamicsCoinedcompany · Julia Mossbridge
“she has started a company called American Electrodynamics.”
▶ Watch at ~1:33:00approx.
SkywatcherUsescompany
“I was part of Skywatcher? No. Oh, yeah. I was a scientific advisor.”
▶ Watch at ~1:34:00approx.
Disclosure ProjectMentionsevent · Steven Greer
“It's this ex exposure is the disclosure project of his where he has all these videos.”
▶ Watch at ~1:36:00approx.
GitHubUseswebsite
“You can go look at my stuff on GitHub. All the pieces are there.”
▶ Watch at ~1:50:30approx.
Moment of ContactMentionsdocumentary · James Fox
“James Fox's moment of contact documentary that thing smelled like sulfur and had and had cloven feet.”
▶ Watch at ~1:55:30approx.
Bradshaw RanchMentionsplace
“she took me out to Bradshaw Ranch, which is a very famous weird place.”
▶ Watch at ~2:07:30approx.
Love and SaucersRecommendsdocumentary · Brad Abrahams
“There's an a really amazing film, probably one of my favorite UFO films of all time, called Love and Saucers.”
▶ Watch at ~2:10:00approx.
Intelligence Advanced Research Projects ActivityUsescompany
“Oh oh oh no no, that's IARPA.”
▶ Watch at ~2:12:30approx.
Defense Advanced Research Projects AgencyUsescompany
“I've had, I don't know, $100 million in contracts with DARPA.”
▶ Watch at ~2:15:00approx.
NeuralinkMentionscompany
“they were doing Neuralink stuff in the '90s according to Annie Jacobsen”
▶ Watch at ~2:15:00approx.
Psi GamesMentionsevent
“Well, I'm going to Side Games”
▶ Watch at ~2:26:00approx.
The Telepathy TapesMentionspodcast · Ky Dickens
“my biggest issue with that stuff, like the Telepathy Tapes and the Mind's Eye stuff”
▶ Watch at ~2:26:30approx.
Institute of Noetic SciencesCoinedcompany · Edgar Mitchell
“He founded IONS and a bunch of other stuff.”
▶ Watch at ~2:32:30approx.

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Insights & moments

The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take1:48:00

His Verdict on Bob Lazar: 'He Had to Have Come From Inside'

Maguire gives his personal read on Bob Lazar's claims about reverse-engineering alien technology at Area 51, arguing that Lazar's ability to accurately predict when saucer test flights would occur is stronger evidence than his disputed academic credentials.

Lazar reportedly predicted 50 video-recorded sighting sessions accurately.
Maguire argues predictive accuracy implies genuine insider knowledge, regardless of the degree disputes.
References George Knapp finding Bob Lazar's name in a Los Alamos phone book despite denials.
Dismisses the MIT-credential controversy as beside the point.

“I cannot understand how he could not have been inside and gone out to the desert and told them where they could look and when…”
Bob Maguire · 1:48:00

#bob-lazar#area-51#hot-take#disclosure

Explainer· 3

Explainer27:00

How HawkEye 360's Satellite Triangulation Actually Works

Maguire founded HawkEye 360, a satellite intelligence company using clusters of three small satellites to triangulate radio signals anywhere on Earth via time-difference-of-arrival, competing with billion-dollar legacy spacecraft built on older, flight-proven tech.

Three satellites in formation measure time-difference-of-arrival of a signal to pinpoint its location.
Small antennas achieve the sensitivity of antennas 'hundreds of meters across.'
Works from 50 MHz up past 10 GHz.
Now part of official US national technical means for geospatial intelligence, used to catch illegal fishing and track Chinese military buildups.
Currently around 60 satellites, targeting 120-128 total; launched via SpaceX and Rocket Lab.

“Time difference of arrival of things that are moving at the speed of light coming into a system like that... tells you where that thing…”
Bob Maguire · 30:30

“it's now officially included in the US national technical means to do geospatial intelligence gathering from orbit as a commercial entity.”
Bob Maguire · 28:30

#satellites#intelligence#hawkeye-360#entrepreneurship

Explainer1:02:30

Why No Single Person Understands the Full UFO Program

Maguire explains the deliberate structure of classified UFO-related programs: each cleared group ('stovepipe') only sees its own slice of information, sensitive data gets moved into unaccountable private contractors, and the people running secret programs deliberately stay below the rank (GS-15) that would force political accountability.

Information is siloed into 'stovepipes' that don't talk to each other.
Federally funded research centers (Mitre, Rand, Sandia, Oak Ridge) are technically private corporations with no oversight.
Secret-keepers stay at GS-15 rank so they remain career civil servants rather than politically appointed and removable.
Even senior insiders like Mitre's Charles Clancy likely don't have the 'full picture.'

“It's stove piped like you wouldn't believe and everybody in it can't talk to anybody out of it.”
Bob Maguire · 1:03:00

“So it's GS-15 people that are controlling these secrets all over the government.”
Bob Maguire · 1:02:30

#secrecy#intelligence-community#government#stovepipe

Explainer1:45:30

What a 'Superuser' Is Inside the Intelligence Community

Maguire describes a rare category of cleared personnel called 'superusers' — fewer than ten people, by his account — who can access almost any classified program without first proving a specific need-to-know, and says he personally knows two of them.

Superusers have clearance-without-need-to-know, unlike normal compartmentalized access.
Maguire deliberately avoids asking them questions to protect his own life and relationships.
He references a claim from another guest that fewer than 10 people have the 'full picture.'
Says he doesn't know who, if anyone, superusers answer to.

“a superuser is a person that's cleared but hasn't has to can have access without first having need to know.”
Bob Maguire · 1:46:00

“I never ask them questions. I do not want to be inadvertently dragged into something that utterly changes my life.”
Bob Maguire · 1:47:30

#intelligence-community#clearance#superusers#secrecy

Story· 11

Story03:00

First Encounter: The 'Fast Walker' That Passed His Nuclear Submarine

In 1997 aboard the USS Hampton, a Los Angeles-class nuclear submarine, Maguire experienced an unidentified submerged object nicknamed a "fast walker" by the sonar crew — moving faster than the speed of sound in water, hundreds of meters down, with zero cavitation. He describes it as the moment he first understood something not built by any human technology.

Nickname 'fast walker' came from the senior sonar chief, not Maguire.
Object moved faster than the speed of sound in incompressible water without cavitation (turbulence).
Crew went silent and wouldn't make eye contact when it happened.
No one told him it was classified, so he considers himself free to tell the story.

“Sir, it's a fast walker. It's moving faster than the speed of sound in incompressible water, hundreds of meters below the surface.”
Sonar chief (quoted by Bob Maguire) · 03:30

“I understood immediately that nothing I knew about on Earth could ever do it. I knew it was not us.”
Bob Maguire · 04:30

#submarine#navy#uso#intelligence-community

Story04:30

The Object That Blocked the Rain During a Typhoon

In 2008 aboard the USS Blue Ridge during a typhoon in the Sea of Japan, Maguire watched glowing lights hover roughly 100 meters above the 450-foot flagship, blocking rain from the entire vessel with no radar return, before shooting straight up and vanishing.

Happened inside the eye wall of a typhoon with 90-knot winds and 40-50-ft seas.
Object was larger than the ship itself and left no radar signature.
Visible vortices in the air as it shot straight upward before disappearing.
Second personal encounter after the 'fast walker' incident, 11 years apart.

“Whatever this was was huge.”
Bob Maguire · 05:30

“Whatever it was was an unidentified aerial phenomenon larger than the flagship of the seventh fleet.”
Bob Maguire · 06:00

#navy#uap#typhoon#unexplained

Story08:30

The First Time He Watched a 40-Foot Orb Appear Over the Trees

In January 2020, Maguire visited experiencer Christopher Bledsoe in North Carolina after hearing him interviewed by Richard Dolan. On the third night, a glowing, plasma-like orb roughly 40 feet across flashed into existence above the trees, moved erratically, and vanished — the encounter that pulled him fully into UAP research.

Maguire was already the administrator of the Richard Dolan online forum.
He went to see Bledsoe specifically after Dolan's four-part interview series.
The orb reportedly responded to an unspoken thought Maguire had ('I wish they would come out of the trees').
Bledsoe's son Ryan later witnessed a similar, even larger event.

“a gigantic 40-ft orb flashed into existence right above the trees and it moved around and moved around and moved in ways that nothing like…”
Bob Maguire · 09:00

“They had read my mind and I knew it instantly.”
Bob Maguire · 10:30

#uap#chris-bledsoe#orbs#experiencer

Story12:00

Something Followed Him Home From Bledsoe's House

Within two weeks of visiting Bledsoe, Maguire and his then-partner reportedly experienced unexplained squirts of water appearing out of thin air inside their own home — a phenomenon he calls a 'hitchhiker.'

Water hit him on the leg, chest, and head with no visible source.
His partner independently reported the same thing happening to her downstairs.
Maguire calls this kind of follow-home effect a 'hitchhiker.'
Led him to help Bledsoe prepare his first public talk at UFO Con 2020.

“It's called Hitchhiker. Within 2 weeks, oh yeah, within 2 weeks, we had weird experiences in our home.”
Bob Maguire · 12:30

#uap#chris-bledsoe#poltergeist#experiencer

Story13:30

A Cardiologist Told Him His Damaged Heart Was Now 100% Functional

After four heart attacks and a quadruple bypass, Maguire's cardiologist ran a stress test and found no trace of heart damage — describing his heart as functioning like a 30-40-year-old athlete's. Maguire treats the episode as the moment he decided to stop trying to be objective about Bledsoe.

Test came shortly after he began spending time around Bledsoe.
Cardiologist said the results looked like an elite athlete's, not a bypass patient's.
Maguire calls it the moment he 'cannot be objective where Chris is concerned.'
He chose friendship over continued scientific study of Bledsoe.

“this stress test with all of the EKG we did show that you have a 100% functional heart... You don't have any heart damage.”
Cardiologist (quoted by Bob Maguire) · 15:00

“I cannot be objective where Chris is concerned. I'm going to be friends with him and his family. I'm not going to be a scientist.”
Bob Maguire · 15:30

#chris-bledsoe#healing#health#unexplained

Story45:00

The Day He Realized Carl Sagan Was a Cleared Intelligence Contractor

Summoned to NSA headquarters to explain how he'd decoded a Soviet Venus probe's data, Maguire found Carl Sagan and Arthur C. Clarke in the room — and noticed Sagan was wearing a green-bordered badge that only cleared intelligence contractors are issued.

Meeting was ordered under a Clinton-era tech-transfer initiative to SETI-affiliated scientists.
Sagan's badge had a green border, marking him as a cleared contractor with access to intelligence spaces.
Maguire says this contradicts Sagan's public 'outsider' persona.
He speculates this explains Sagan's later cooling on UFO topics.

“The only way you get a picture badge allowing you to roam around the intelligence community is to be a cleared insider. He was a…”
Bob Maguire · 47:00

#carl-sagan#intelligence-community#nsa#history

Story39:00

His PhD Thesis Accidentally Decoded a Secret Soviet Venus Probe

While at the Institute for Defense Analyses, Maguire used his new nonlinear-filtering math to demodulate a mysterious signal brought by a visiting JPL scientist — which turned out to be data from the Soviet Vega Venus balloon probes, secretly recorded by the US despite an agreement not to.

Signal was weak and highly frequency-unstable; took about six weeks to demodulate on a supercomputer.
Data carried atmospheric measurements from balloon probes dropped into Venus's atmosphere en route to Halley's Comet.
The US had secretly recorded the signal despite promising the Soviets it wouldn't.
Results were hand-carried on paper, with gloves, from Princeton to JPL.

“we we recorded the signals anyway... If you don't say anything, we won't say anything.”
Bob Maguire (recounting JPL/Soviet exchange) · 42:00

#nasa#venus#cold-war#signals-intelligence

Story1:03:30

The Retired Air Force General Who Vanished Without a Trace

Maguire discusses the disappearance of a retired Air Force major general connected to disclosure advocacy (via To the Stars Academy), including a 911 call from his wife that he finds strange, and his own theory that special-access-program non-disclosure agreements can be used to quietly relocate insiders whose faculties are declining.

Maguire has personally signed similar unacknowledged special-access-program NDAs with severe consequence clauses.
His theory: cognitive decline plus knowledge of deep secrets can trigger a managed disappearance.
He finds the wife's 911 call demeanor 'rehearsed' rather than distressed.
Notes the timing coincided with early Trump-era UFO document releases.

“With all these secrets in his head, he began showing signs of dementia. And so, he would be one that would be picked up and…”
Bob Maguire · 1:05:00

#disclosure#missing-persons#to-the-stars#speculation

Story1:29:00

His Remote-Viewing Session That Nailed a Sealed Target

Training under a former Stargate-program remote viewer, Maguire describes a session where he sketched flashes of a jungle, a pyramid shape, and red-and-yellow flags — which matched a sealed photo of a pyramidal structure in Indonesia surrounded by red and yellow survey flags.

Target was sealed in an envelope; the person who chose it didn't know its contents.
Maguire's impressions: yellow/red flashes, a pyramid shape, wet warm jungle atmosphere.
The revealed photo matched: a jungle pyramid in Indonesia marked with red and yellow flags.
He frames it as evidence that people and inanimate objects can exchange information by unknown means.

“I had gotten it exactly right.”
Bob Maguire · 1:30:30

“what this says to me is an inanimate object and I can communicate with each other by some means.”
Bob Maguire · 1:30:30

#remote-viewing#stargate#psi#consciousness

Story2:18:30

How Ketamine-Assisted Therapy Cured 18 Months of Depression in 3 Months

After retiring in 2020 amid COVID isolation, Maguire fell into 18 months of severe depression. A ketamine-based psychedelic therapy protocol — sublingual lozenges twice weekly paired with next-day cognitive behavioral therapy, tapering to weekly — fully resolved it within three months.

Administered as sublingual lozenges, roughly a 4-hour experience each session.
Started at 2 sessions per week, tapered down to 1 per week as treatment progressed.
Each ketamine session was followed the next day by a CBT session to retrain thought patterns.
Maguire reports zero bad trips despite severe depression going in.
He had to formally disclose the treatment to keep his security clearance.

“I went from wondering if I should go on living to completely cured in 3 months.”
Bob Maguire · 2:19:00

“you would have the neuroplasticity work and then a day later you would have the cognitive behavioral therapy person tell you how to change your…”
Bob Maguire · 2:19:30

#ketamine#mental-health#therapy#psychedelics

Story2:24:00

Waking Up Outside His Own Body During Blindfolded 'Mindsight' Training

While training in blindfolded perception techniques under mentors from the 'mind's eye' community, Maguire describes spontaneously leaving his body, seeing himself asleep next to his girlfriend, and panicking back into his body — his first remembered out-of-body experience, with no drugs involved.

Happened during blindfolded-seeing practice, not during any substance use.
He initially thought he could see through the blindfold before realizing what was happening.
Saw his own sleeping body from an external vantage point and panicked back into it.
Notes explicitly this occurred fully conscious, without drugs.

“I was out of my body looking at me next to my girlfriend and I panicked and I jumped back into the body and woke…”
Bob Maguire · 2:25:00

#obe#consciousness#mindsight#experiencer