Kris Millegan03 April 2026

#384 - “FBI Still Hiding Epstein Worst Secret” Death Magic, Blackmail & Deep Politics

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Episode overview

Kris Millegan traces his research into intelligence, drug trafficking, and secret societies to disclosures he says his former-intelligence-officer father made when Millegan was 19. He presents a layered theory of power involving finance, drugs, weapons, oil, media, culture, intelligence agencies, and blackmail, while Danny Jones connects those claims to Jeffrey Epstein, JFK, 9/11, mind-control programs, and contemporary politics. Millegan repeatedly frames these interpretations as an outsider's attempt to understand hidden systems and ends by advocating exposure, voting, and restoration of government “of and by and for the people.”

Key ideas

Millegan says his father's account of intelligence work, covert drug trafficking, and secret societies initiated decades of book-based research.
He describes a three-level “leviathan”: mining, metals, and money; drugs, guns, and oil; then media, music or movies, and “magic.”
The conversation treats blackmail and honey traps as mechanisms connecting criminal networks, intelligence services, wealthy patrons, and political power.
Millegan interprets the JFK assassination and 9/11 as public mass-trauma operations, while acknowledging that he is examining them from outside.
Mind control is discussed through trance, role-playing, trauma, ritual, Operation Bluebird, MKUltra, and alleged applications to individuals and societies.
The speakers examine Epstein's scientific relationships, Zorro Ranch, survivor accounts, and Whitney Webb's historical treatment of blackmail networks.
Millegan argues that personal computers, the internet, publishing, and podcasts have weakened institutional control over information.
Despite describing extensive corruption, Millegan closes optimistically, urging public exposure, civic participation, and accountable elections.

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People & resources mentioned

Attributed to the moment in the episode. Timestamps are approximate.

People · 24

Douglas MacArthurMentionswe're going to put you on MacArthur's staff
“we're going to put you on MacArthur's staff”
▶ Watch at ~5:00approx.
Edward LansdaleMentionsthey brought a gentleman in by the name of Ed Lansdale
“they brought a gentleman in by the name of Ed Lansdale”
▶ Watch at ~6:30approx.
Sterling SeagraveCoineda very good book called Gold Warriors by Sterling Seagrave
“a very good book called Gold Warriors by Sterling Seagrave”
▶ Watch at ~7:00approx.
Antony C. SuttonCoinedI run across Anthony Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment
“I run across Anthony Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment”
▶ Watch at ~18:00approx.
Danny JonesMentionswe'll do this after the podcast. All right, that's all. Goodnight folks.
“What exactly is Skull and Bones?”
▶ Watch at ~19:30approx.
Adam WeishauptCoinedthe Illuminati, you know, started by Weishaupt there in in Bavaria
“the Illuminati, you know, started by Weishaupt there in in Bavaria”
▶ Watch at ~25:00approx.
William Howard TaftMentionsWilliam Howard Taft as the first civilian governor
“William Howard Taft as the first civilian governor”
▶ Watch at ~40:30approx.
David RockefellerMentionsDavid Rockefeller, Jimmy Carter was a member of it.
“David Rockefeller, Jimmy Carter was a member of it.”
▶ Watch at ~43:00approx.
James Jesus AngletonMentionshe used to put in that James Jesus Angleton was a big part of it.
“he used to put in that James Jesus Angleton was a big part of it.”
▶ Watch at ~1:18:30approx.
John M. NewmanMentionsJohn Newman wrote like I don't know how many JFK books
“Have you heard of John Newman?”
▶ Watch at ~1:18:30approx.
Michael C. RuppertMentionsNow, if you know who Michael Ruppert is.
“Now, if you know who Michael Ruppert is.”
▶ Watch at ~1:27:30approx.
Richard GroveRecommendsHave you ever talked to Richard Grove at tragedyandhope.com?
“Well, I strongly recommend that.”
▶ Watch at ~1:44:00approx.
Howard LutnickMentionsanother interesting character tied into all this stuff and the Epstein stuff is Howard Lutnick.
“another interesting character tied into all this stuff and the Epstein stuff is Howard Lutnick.”
▶ Watch at ~1:44:30approx.
Nick BryantMentionsOh, Nick Bryant.
“Oh, Nick Bryant.”
▶ Watch at ~1:46:00approx.
Jacques ValléeMentionsI'm reading this book about Satan right now that Jacques Valet recommended
“how familiar are you with Jacques Jacques Vallée?”
▶ Watch at ~2:03:00approx.
Peter LevendaMentionsI had Peter Levenda on here recently
“I had Peter Levenda on here recently”
▶ Watch at ~2:03:30approx.
Diana Walsh PasulkaMentionsThis lady Diana Pasulka, the religious studies expert
“This lady Diana Pasulka, the religious studies expert”
▶ Watch at ~2:04:30approx.
Virginia GiuffreMentionsVirginia Giuffre and and other the butterfly is kind of become a symbol for the Epstein survivors.
“Virginia Giuffre and and other the butterfly is kind of become a symbol for the Epstein survivors.”
▶ Watch at ~2:07:30approx.
Sarah McCarthyCoinedSarah McCarthy and it's called Blue Butterfly
“Sarah McCarthy and it's called Blue Butterfly”
▶ Watch at ~2:07:30approx.
Juliette BryantMentionsJuliet Bryant was the survivor, and she had a diary that had a blue butterfly on it
“Juliet Bryant was the survivor, and she had a diary that had a blue butterfly on it”
▶ Watch at ~2:07:30approx.
Fritz SpringmeierMentionsSpringmeier Fritz Springmeier is he he wrote a lot about it.
“Springmeier Fritz Springmeier is he he wrote a lot about it.”
▶ Watch at ~2:08:30approx.
Maria FarmerCoinedIt's Maria Farmer. Maria Farmer.
“It's Maria Farmer. Maria Farmer.”
▶ Watch at ~2:10:00approx.
Henry GeorgeMentionsthere was a guy by the name of Henry George.
“there was a guy by the name of Henry George.”
▶ Watch at ~2:38:30approx.
Kris MilleganMentionsWe've got about 180 some books up there. And been doing it for 26 years.
“We've got about 180 some books up there. And been doing it for 26 years.”
▶ Watch at ~2:40:30approx.

Resources · 32

Central Intelligence AgencyMentionscompany · United States government
“I think dad works for the CIA.”
▶ Watch at ~2:30approx.
CIA World FactbookMentionswebsite · Central Intelligence Agency
“what is now known as the CIA World Factbook.”
▶ Watch at ~4:30approx.
Gold WarriorsRecommendsbook · Sterling Seagrave and Peggy Seagrave
“a very good book called Gold Warriors by Sterling Seagrave”
▶ Watch at ~7:00approx.
Monterey Pop FestivalMentionsevent
“I was at Monterey, though.”
▶ Watch at ~14:00approx.
America's Secret EstablishmentUsesbook · Antony C. Sutton
“I run across Anthony Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment, an introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones. And I read that book”
▶ Watch at ~18:00approx.
Cash AppUsessoftware · Block, Inc.
“which is why now I always use Cash App.”
▶ Watch at ~18:30approx.
Skull and BonesMentionsother · William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft
“Skull and Bones is a secret society that was started in 1832.”
▶ Watch at ~19:30approx.
Trilateral CommissionMentionsother · David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski
“What do you know about the Trilateral Commission?”
▶ Watch at ~42:30approx.
Dealey PlazaMentionsplace
“the killing plaza of Dealey Plaza.”
▶ Watch at ~48:00approx.
GenerationsRecommendsbook · William Strauss and Neil Howe
“There's a very good book called Generations: A History of America's Future.”
▶ Watch at ~52:30approx.
The Fourth TurningMentionsbook · William Strauss and Neil Howe
“These are the same people that wrote the Fourth Turning.”
▶ Watch at ~53:30approx.
GLDRecommendscompany
“If you want to level up your look without overthinking it, this is the move.”
▶ Watch at ~1:01:00approx.
DARPAMentionscompany · United States Department of Defense
“the internet we know was created by DARPA. The DARPAnet.”
▶ Watch at ~1:02:00approx.
The Moon Is a Harsh MistressMentionsbook · Robert A. Heinlein
“the maybe the closest thing is Moon Is a Harsh Mistress”
▶ Watch at ~1:02:30approx.
GoogleMentionscompany · Larry Page and Sergey Brin
“similar to how the creation of Google happened with Sergey Brin”
▶ Watch at ~1:03:30approx.
Consumer Electronics ShowMentionsevent · Consumer Technology Association
“I was at the CES show, Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago.”
▶ Watch at ~1:15:00approx.
Operation MongooseMentionsevent · United States government
“He was head of operation mongoose.”
▶ Watch at ~1:16:30approx.
Operation BluebirdMentionsevent · Central Intelligence Agency
“they call it Operation Bluebird.”
▶ Watch at ~1:22:30approx.
MKUltraMentionsevent · Central Intelligence Agency
“the Cold War days with like MK Ultra and the Finders.”
▶ Watch at ~1:24:30approx.
ButcherBoxUsescompany
“I love being able to customize my box.”
▶ Watch at ~1:37:30approx.
Tragedy & HopeRecommendswebsite · Richard Grove
“Have you ever talked to Richard Grove at tragedyandhope.com?”
▶ Watch at ~1:43:30approx.
The Most Dangerous Book in the WorldMentionsbook · S. K. Bain
“We did a book called the most dangerous book in the world”
▶ Watch at ~1:43:30approx.
The Franklin Cover-UpMentionsbook · John W. DeCamp
“because of, you know, Franklin cover-up and all of that”
▶ Watch at ~1:46:00approx.
The Franklin ScandalMentionsbook · Nick Bryant
“we did Franklin scandal.”
▶ Watch at ~1:47:00approx.
American CosmicMentionsbook · Diana Walsh Pasulka
“American Cosmic. Um was her first book.”
▶ Watch at ~2:05:00approx.
The History of SatanRecommendsbook
“If you really want to understand the UFO phenomenon, you have to read this book.”
▶ Watch at ~2:05:00approx.
The History of SatanMentionsbook
“She took the book and it was called The History of Satan.”
▶ Watch at ~2:05:30approx.
Blue ButterflyMentionsbook · Sarah McCarthy
“Sarah McCarthy and it's called Blue Butterfly, based on the Juliet Bryant was the survivor”
▶ Watch at ~2:07:30approx.
Secret and SuppressedMentionsbook · Jim Keith
“one of Feral House books, Secret and Suppressed or something like that.”
▶ Watch at ~2:16:00approx.
On the BeachMentionsbook · Nevil Shute
“On the Beach something like that?”
▶ Watch at ~2:33:30approx.
TrineDayCoinedcompany · Kris Millegan
“Well, it's it's tranday.com, t r a n e g a y.com. We've got about 180 some books up there.”
▶ Watch at ~2:40:30approx.
Expendable EliteMentionsbook · Daniel Marvin
“The second book I did, Expendable Elite, I had to go to court”
▶ Watch at ~2:41:00approx.

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Insights & moments

The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster1:59:30

The "Epstein Is Still Alive" Theory and Why It Might Be a Distraction

The host raises the rumor that Epstein faked his death, citing an email confirming he had no prostate matched against his official autopsy report, while the guest argues such theories mainly function to create dissonance and distract from what Epstein actually did.

An email allegedly shows a doctor confirming Epstein had no prostate; his official autopsy reportedly found the organ intact
Guest compares this to other 'still alive' rumors (Tupac, Kurt Cobain) that create public dissonance
Argues these theories serve to divide people over side questions rather than the underlying crimes
Frames it as part of a broader pattern of manufactured distraction

“In his official autopsy report, they inspected his prostate and it was impeccable.”
Danny Jones · 1:59:30

“It creates dissonance... so that we're fighting, well, is Epstein alive or not, not what he did and what all happened to us.”
Guest · 2:00:00

#epstein#conspiracy-theory#autopsy

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take46:30

Why the Guest Calls the JFK Assassination a "Mass Trauma Ritual"

The guest frames the JFK assassination and 9/11 as intentional 'mass trauma rituals' meant to signal powerlessness to the American public, pointing to both events' locations sitting on the 33rd latitude line as evidence of long-planned symbolic staging.

Guest calls both JFK's assassination and 9/11 'mass trauma rituals' rather than random events
Both sites are described as sitting on or near the 33rd degree latitude/parallel
Argues the goal of killing a president in broad daylight is to show citizens they aren't in charge of their government
Ties the claim to a broader belief in 'death magic' — that power is gained through high-profile killings

“At its core, the JFK assassination is a mass trauma ritual.”
Guest · 46:30

“You kill the president in broad daylight, with a story a 5-year-old can see through. That tells the American people, well, hell, you ain't in…”
Guest · 1:20:30

#jfk-assassination#conspiracy-theory#9-11

Hot Take1:57:30

The Peggy Siegal Emails Where Epstein Hunts for a "Baby Mama"

The host and guest discuss the roughly 5,000 emails exchanged between Epstein and New York PR figure Peggy Siegal between 2009 and 2019, including one in which Epstein reportedly asks her to help him find his 'next baby mama.'

Peggy Siegal represented major Hollywood figures and exchanged roughly 5,000 emails with Epstein over a decade
One email allegedly has Epstein asking Siegal to help him find a woman to have his child
Host says Siegal advised him to find a woman unlikely to become emotionally attached or entitled
Framed as evidence Epstein was actively trying to father children through the network

“He's emailing her saying I need you to help me find my next baby mama, where he's clearly trying to have children.”
Danny Jones · 1:57:30

“Roughly 5,000 emails between Peggy Siegal and Epstein sent between 2009 and 2019.”
Danny Jones · 1:58:00

#epstein#peggy-siegal#emails

Explainer· 8

Explainer19:30

The Real Origin Story of Skull and Bones

The guest lays out a detailed lineage for the Order of Skull and Bones, starting with America's 1790s anti-Illuminati panic and 1820s anti-Masonic backlash, through Phi Beta Kappa's 1776 founding, to Skull and Bones' formation at Yale in 1832 by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft.

Phi Beta Kappa founded December 5, 1776 at William & Mary; surviving chapters went to Yale and Harvard
In 1832 two Phi Beta Kappa members, Russell and Taft, founded the Order of Skull and Bones at Yale
Skull and Bones is described as an outgrowth of the German Thule Society
William Huntington Russell ran Russell & Company, said to be the third-largest opium-smuggling concern in the world

“Skull and Bones is a secret society that was started in 1832. It's an outgrowth of a German secret society.”
Guest · 19:30

“William Huntington Russell was the sign of Russell and Company, which was the third largest opium smuggling concern in the world.”
Guest · 27:00

#skull-and-bones#secret-societies#yale#history

Explainer33:30

How Secret Societies Allegedly Run the World in Three Layers

The guest describes his model of a three-tier 'leviathan': a top level of mining, metal, and money; a middle level of drugs, guns, and oil; and a bottom level of media, movies, and 'magic' used to control narrative and public perception. He ties oil's inclusion to a Skull and Bones member's role in launching the American oil industry.

Top level: control of mining feeds control of metal, which underpins the money supply
Middle level: drugs, guns, and oil generate the cash used to corrupt institutions
Skull and Bones member Benjamin Silliman Jr. is credited with validating Pennsylvania rock oil, leading the order to fund Drake's first oil well
Bottom level: media and movies control culture; 'magic' covers illusion and staged mass-trauma rituals

“It's a leviathan of three levels. And each level has three parts. The top level is mining, metal, and money.”
Guest · 33:30

“The next level is very active level. Drugs, guns, and oil.”
Guest · 35:00

#secret-societies#conspiracy-theory#power-structure

Explainer38:30

How the Drug Trade Allegedly Funded America's Rise as an Empire

The guest argues that when opium was legalized after the Second Opium War, smugglers lost their 'cash cow' and responded by fomenting the Spanish-American War through yellow journalism, which delivered the Philippines and let Skull and Bones member William Howard Taft outlaw opium there before helping create the international prohibition regime on cannabis, coca, and opium.

Opium's legalization after the Second Opium War cut into smugglers' profits
Guest claims the Spanish-American War was fomented via false flag and yellow journalism to recapture the trade
William Howard Taft, a Skull and Bones member and first civilian governor of the Philippines, outlawed opium there
Taft later launched the Hague and Shanghai Conventions establishing global prohibition on opium, coca, and cannabis

“They foment the Spanish-American War, through false flag and yellow journalism.”
Guest · 38:30

“He started the Hague and the Shanghai Convention, which gave us the prohibition on cannabis and the prohibition on coca and the prohibition on opium.”
Guest · 42:00

#opium#spanish-american-war#prohibition#history

Explainer51:30

The Two "Fail-Safe" Mechanisms He Says Keep Society Divided

The guest describes two mechanisms he calls humanity's 'fail-safe devices' against uniting: the dialectic, where controlling both extremes controls the middle, and the generational cycle described in the book Generations, which he argues was manipulated to stop the boomer generation from cohering the way earlier generations failed to.

First fail-safe device: the dialectic — seeding both an extreme truth-teller and an extreme liar to control the moderate middle
Second fail-safe device: manipulating the four-part generational cycle (idealist, reactive, civic, adaptive) from the book Generations
Guest claims 1860s teens failed to cohere as a generation due to a presidential assassination, war, and opium
Claims a similar attempt targeted 1960s boomers via education, television flicker, and drug culture, but they cohered as hippies anyway

“By controlling the extremes, you control the middle.”
Guest · 52:00

“So what that does is it makes us a four-cycle engine, but we're only running on three cycles.”
Guest · 53:00

#generations#dialectic#social-control

Explainer1:21:30

The Four Pillars of Mind Control, According to This Conspiracy Researcher

The guest breaks mind control down into trance, role-playing, trauma, and ritual, and traces the name of the CIA's Operation Bluebird to a 1906 Moscow stage play performed in the same city where Pavlov ran his conditioning experiments on dogs.

Guest's four components of mind control: trance, role-playing, trauma, and ritual
Says everyone experiences trance differently — some go deep fast, some slowly
Operation Bluebird is claimed to be named after a Maeterlinck play first staged in 1906 Moscow
Notes the same city hosted Pavlov's classical conditioning experiments

“You've got a couple of factors to mind control. First one is trance... Then you have role playing... And then you have trauma. And ritual.”
Guest · 1:21:30

“They call it Operation Bluebird because of Metrolink's play... first put on 1906 in Moscow. Same place you had Pavlov and his dogs.”
Guest · 1:22:30

#mind-control#mk-ultra#operation-bluebird

Explainer1:47:30

How Honey Traps Work, From Physical Rooms to Hacked Phones

The guest, whose press published Whitney Webb's 'One Nation Under Blackmail,' describes the operational mechanics of a classic honey trap — a wired building, a manager, and security — versus its modern, cheaper equivalent of simply hacking someone's phone once enough personal data exists.

A traditional honey trap requires a building wired for video and sound, a manager, and security — a costly operation
Argues the modern version just requires hacking a target's phone to learn everything about them
Ties this back to the history of blackmail as a control tool used across intelligence and criminal networks
Frames Epstein's operation as a large-scale application of the same honey-trap playbook

“To do a honey trap, first off, you need a room, you need a building... and then you're going to need a manager.”
Guest · 1:47:30

“We don't need to do a honey trap in a room anymore. All we need to do is be able to hack into somebody's cell…”
Guest · 1:48:00

#honey-trap#epstein#blackmail

Explainer2:28:30

How Secret Societies Allegedly Sit Above Nation-States

The guest lays out his view that a 'secret societal system' sits above sovereign countries, working through intelligence agencies, religious, fraternal, and criminal organizations to influence just a handful of key people in each nation rather than entire populations, and is willing to damage a country if it serves the network's goals.

Guest's hierarchy: secret societal system above sovereign countries, connected via intelligence agencies and religious/fraternal/criminal organizations
Argues the network only needs to influence one or two key people per country, not everyone
Claims these networks aren't loyal to any single nation and will damage their own country if useful
Frames this as more organized than simple class warfare between rich and poor

“We have the secret societal system that's up here. Your next solid level is sovereign countries.”
Guest · 2:28:30

“They don't have to affect everybody in that, but just maybe one or two people and get it to go to the direction that they…”
Guest · 2:29:00

#secret-societies#power-structure#geopolitics

Explainer2:38:30

The Forgotten Economist Whose Land-Tax Idea Got Buried

The guest highlights 19th-century economist Henry George, once the second-biggest public speaker in America behind Mark Twain, whose land-value tax proposal he says was deliberately suppressed by Rockefeller-funded University of Chicago economics after showing real results in revitalizing depressed Pennsylvania cities.

Henry George was reportedly the second-most prominent public speaker in the US behind Mark Twain in the late 1800s
His land-rent/land-value tax idea taxes land based on potential use rather than income, discouraging neglect by landlords
Guest claims some Pennsylvania cities used the approach to revive from boarded-up decline into viable economies
Says University of Chicago's economics department was set up partly by Rockefeller funding to bury George's ideas

“He was like the second biggest speaker behind Mark Twain in the late 1800s and early 1900s. And he did a thing about land rents.”
Guest · 2:38:00

“They set up the whole University of Chicago by the Rockefellers economics to completely bury Henry George.”
Guest · 2:40:00

#henry-george#land-value-tax#economics

Story· 3

Story01:30

A CIA Officer's Son Reveals His Father's Secret Society Warning

The guest recounts how his father, an intelligence officer since 1936, sat him down at 19 and revealed that the Vietnam War was really about drugs and that secret societies sat behind both the war and Cold War communism. He traces his father's path from a State Department 'eyes and ears' role in prewar China through the OSS, MacArthur's staff in the Philippines, and CIA branch chief for East Asia analysis.

Father was an 18-year-old informal State Dept asset in China in 1936 and helped originate what became the CIA World Factbook
Career ran through OSS, G2 under MacArthur in the Philippines, then CIA branch chief for East Asia analysis
At 19 the father told him: the Vietnam War is about drugs and secret societies are behind it and communism alike
Father left the CIA in the late 1950s after refusing a bribe (real estate near DC) over drug running he'd witnessed

“The Vietnam War's about drugs. There's these secret societies behind it.”
Guest · 01:30

“He would not go along with it. And they offered him a life-changing bribe.”
Guest · 11:00

#cia#oss#vietnam-war#family-history

Story1:34:00

The Claim That American Football Was Built as a Recruitment Pipeline

The guest claims American football's founding father, Skull and Bones member Alonzo Stagg, built the sport partly to get young men working together in controlled settings, then traces Gerald Ford's and Ted Gunderson's football careers through the same Omaha-to-Michigan-or-Colorado Springs-to-Quantico-to-Yale path as evidence of a recurring pipeline.

Alonzo Stagg, a Skull and Bones member, is credited as the father of American football
Guest traces Gerald Ford's path: Omaha, then Michigan, then Quantico, then Yale for law school
Claims Ted Gunderson, later FBI special agent in charge in LA, followed a similar Omaha-Quantico-Yale route
Frames these overlapping career paths as evidence of a long-running recruitment 'well'

“Alonzo Stagg, a member of the Order of Skull and Bones, is considered the father of American football.”
Guest · 1:34:00

“They, the powers that be, have affected our history a lot with us not even knowing it.”
Guest · 1:36:00

#gerald-ford#skull-and-bones#football

Story1:53:30

A South African Woman's Account of Being Trafficked to Epstein

The guest describes a South African woman connected to Epstein victims through her old school, who was allegedly trafficked from South Africa to New York, Paris, and Zorro Ranch, where she says she woke on a medical table with an unexplained wound, before harassment forced her to abandon a five-year book project.

Woman had known several Epstein victims from the same girls' school in South Africa
Says she was flown from South Africa to New York multiple times, then to Paris and Zorro Ranch
Describes waking on a medical table with a wound and no memory of what happened
Harassment, including alleged electronic harassment causing her boyfriend's hospitalization, led her to abandon the book

“She had a wound here in her belly. And it seemed that they were looking at particular bloodlines... harvesting eggs.”
Guest · 1:54:30

“Her boyfriend went to hospital with auditory problems. And she finally had enough and just walked away from 5 years worth of work.”
Guest · 1:55:30

#epstein#trafficking#zorro-ranch